In the next decade, all politics will be climate politics. But climate politics isn’t always progressive. In the US, outright pseudoscientific denialism has been replaced by a softer, economist-led denialism: there might be a problem, but we just can’t afford to do anything serious about it. And there are darker possibilities lurking in the shadows. But, says Kate Aronoff, there are reasons for hope. She joins James Butler to chart the changing course of climate politics, explain how Shell predicted the future, and whether there’s any hope for the Green New Deal under Bidenism.

Kate Aronoff’s Overheated: How Capitalism Broke the Planet and How We Fight Back is available now.

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